Zer, Me too. Bob Hawkes ----- Original Message ----- From: Gary Cheek <kg8-@home.com> To: <Loopfram-@topica.com> Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2001 6:03 PM Subject: RE: EX. Leaks
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Exactly- if you use the wrong tool you stand a chance of distorting the part. Use the proper tool form minimizes the distortion. Pipe wrenches are one of the worst offenders , the hook spanners with the pivoting link are close behind.
Regarding the the tighten while hot- Aluminum gets weak when heated at a faster rate than steel or brass. The threads may also fracture as they cool .
Looks like I will run a batch of wrenches in January, Stay tuned those who have spoken for them will have first dibs . The fork tools will follow soon after. THANKS FOR THE RESPONSE! Zerhackermann . wrote:
The replacement nuts are made from steel while the good OEM nuts were brass with chrome plating. Brass has a similar expansion rate to alumininum .
This making them less leak/loosening prone. Makes sense.
The collapsing I made reference to was the force imparted not actual collapsing, but the distortion is often permanent and it does limit the effectivness of the nut.
If you are distorting something, something is wrong or you are doing it wrong. But hey, it's your bike do as you like.
Zerhackermann . wrote:
Greg, the two are made from different metals. The aluminum expands
at a
different amount/rate than the nut. So I do it once cold and then
again
hot (gas stop). After a couple gas stops, even with antiseize, there is
not
tightening to do. This summer after 2000 miles I checked again, no loosening, tight as ever. And on these parts (heads and nuts) the threads were not in the best of shape. I do use the frame rail clamps as
well
though. And I seriously doubt a hook wrench is gonna collapse
anything.
unless there were other problems present already.
From: Greg Field <gfie-@pop.mindspring.com> Reply-To: Loopfram-@topica.com To: Loopfram-@topica.com Subject: Re: EX. Leaks Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 11:57:41 -0700
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I'm interested in the tools, too.
A question about the tighten-while-hot method:
If the metal expands when it gets hot, wouldn't the nut grow in diameter at the same time the circumference of the threaded area of the port shrinks, making the whole sitch worse?
I've always tightened cold for that reason, but maybe my understanding of what's happening is flawed?
Greg Field
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Hi Gary...I'd be interested in both tools.....
I know it's probably been mentioned but it's VERY important to use
the
frame/exhaust clamps to keep the threads from wearing out.....
Mike www.classicguzzi.com
----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Cheek" <kg8-@home.com> To: <Loopfram-@topica.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 2:38 PM Subject: RE: EX. Leaks
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> From what it sounds like everyone is using maybe it is time I
make
a
>batch of the proper dog type spanners. The "hook type are a bit
better
>than the Chanellock/pipe wrench/hammer chisel hackersaw etc.
The
dog
>type spanner uses 2 flat dog keys 180 degrees apart to give a
more
>tangental drive without crushing the nut as the others do. I
made a
>similar tool for Tom Bowes to use on his fork tubes and have
been
>thinking of making a batch of them too. Let me know how much interest there is,the price will be
reasonable .
> PS , Permatex high temp anti sieze compound is the best thing
to
use
>on the threads, If threads are worn, a few layers of Teflon pipe
tape
>wrapped CLOCKWISE from the end of the nut can buy you a lot of
time. It
>takes up extra clearance and cushions the threads from further
wear.
> Kevin Graf wrote: > Thanks, I found some that look like they would work on the
website.
>> > "I checked my nuts (ahem) at each fuel stop" > > There's a T-shirt there somewhere. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Zerhackermann . [mailto:chopp-@hotmail.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 1:36 PM > To: Loopfram-@topica.com > Subject: RE: EX. Leaks > > > ---------------- Sprint 7" AnyTime(sm)
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>> > It's like a set of 3 wee, not so wee and friggin huge. > they have a hinge in the middle so that they can fit a
variety of
>> diameters, > the hook is 1/8-1/4" wide as opposed to the shock adjustors
16
guage
>> pressed > steel. AND they have a neoprene handle. I wrapped mine ina
towel
and
>> stuck > it in my tool box. I checked my nuts (ahem) at each fuel stop > > > > > > > > >From: Kevin Graf <kgr-@midwestpension.com> > >Reply-To: Loopfram-@topica.com > >To: Loopfram-@topica.com > >Subject: RE: EX. Leaks > >Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 12:00:08 -0400 > > > >============================================================ > >Do you know what's on your credit report? > >Find out with a FREE Equifax credit report & FREE > >CreditCheck Monitoring Service trial! Plus, get valuable > >tools and tips for improving your credit rating. Try it > >FREE today! > >http://click.topica.com/caaadTPb1dfltb2c9oVa/CreditCheck > >============================================================ > > > >I'll have to look into that sounds allot better than that
stupid
>V-Twin > >shock adjuster that barely fits right. Are the wrenches
sized?
>> > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Zerhackermann . [mailto:chopp-@hotmail.com] > >Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 11:46 AM > >To: Loopfram-@topica.com > >Subject: Re: EX. Leaks > > > > > >============================================================ > >Upgrade your server! Get VeriSign's FREE guide, "Securing > >Your Web Site for Business" for everything you need to know > >about using 128-bit SSL to encrypt your e-commerce > >transactions online security. Click here! > >http://click.topica.com/caaadV7b1dfltb2D1Vxa/VeriSign > >============================================================ > > > >I think I have a set of your old exhaust nuts. Ugly. > >Harbor freight sels a set of hook wrenches for 8 bux that
>> > > > > > My Weapon of Choice is a chain-Visegrip to tighten/remove
the
exhaust >> > >nuts. This all-purpose tool will grab just about any
round
object
and >> > >hold it still. Using it on the exhaust nuts, you need to carefully > > >place the chain for the clearances between the nut and the cylinder head >> > >can get tight and you don't want the chain scraping the
head.
I
>also > > >use it (with adequate protection) to disassemble the front
forks.
>> > > > > > Bruce > > > > > > '72 Eldo > > > > > >Ian Adkins wrote: > > > > Ed, > > > > > > > > I can't really remember exactly. I think that a BIG
pipe
wrench
was >> > > > used....some penetrating oil......lots of pulling and I
think
>the nut >> > > > finally collapsed in on itself and the nut came out
that
way.
>In hind >> > >site > > > > that was likely a pretty stupid thing to do since I
risked
damaging >> >the > > > > threads in the head. Turns out that the only thing that
was
destroyed >> > >was > > > > the nut.....I was lucky. You might try heating the nut
too.
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get
the
bike >> >ok? > > >I'm > > > > looking forward to meeting you and seeing the bike in
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