I'd actually like to see the loopframe list migrate. Topica is ok, but not a great list serve- it's difficult to archive and search past listings, and there is no threading of discussions that I've seen. Now that I've bitched, I don't have any good off-hand suggestions except to say that I'll write Guzziguy Todd Eagan (RacerX) who has started several message boards. Maybe he'll have some good ideas. I know Todd uses phpbbforfree.com, but it seems to be off-line at the moment. Jason