Subject: Re: Re: clutch adjustment

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Ted,
I found the marks on my flywheel and pressure plate for aligning springs just by accident when re-assembling, I took pictures and made my own marks before dis-assembly and used those when re-assembling. I used the method described recently on this site by Bruce Giller to install the new clutch using my own trans input hub, an engine mounting bolt, engine mount spacers, and vise-grip. installation was super smooth, and went so easy it scared me after all the warnings about everything that could go wrong. I had my engine completely out and on it's nose when I did it so there wasn't the problem with gravity moving the springs out of alignment. It pulls smooth and works fine. Now if I could only get the engine running better. Good luck and don't get frustrated, it's more practice for you and the best riding weather is still a few months off.
Steve
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Subject: Re: Re: clutch adjustment

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You can RTV the springs into their pockets on the flywheel. Makes it easy to install the clutch...Ian
>
> From: Greg Field <gre-@gregfield.com>
> Date: 2005/01/13 Thu PM 08:43:33 CST
> To: Loopfram-@topica.com
> Subject: Re: clutch adjustment
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> Ted:
>
> It's VERY difficult to get the clutch together unless the springs are
> in their pockets, because then all the plates and stuff won't fit
> within the clutch basket. Unless you specifically remember such
> difficulty, you should look elsewhere for the problem.
>
> Try a quickie cleanout with mineral spirits before you disassemble it
> all.
>
> Also, no need to pull the motor. Leave the front mounting bolt in
> (after pulling the rear bolt, exhaust, battery plate, and swingarm;
> leave carbs, gen, and so on in place) and jack up the back of the
> motor. Tranny comes right out.
>
> GF
>
> On Thursday, January 13, 2005, at 02:29 PM, Ted Ward wrote:
>
> > I bet it is a spring problem. <SIGH> I don't want to pull the motor
> > again.
> > Oh well.
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick Hayes"
> > <peha-@comcast.net>
> >
> > Sorry Ted. So you did take the clutch apart. You haven't
> > specifically stated such, but I presume that this dragging symptom was
> > not here before. Only the on/off dirty clutch symptom. Unfortunately
> > something is askew. Although we highly suspect a warped intermediate
> > plate, it could also be one of the pressure plate springs out of line.
> > Did you have the engine tipped over on its nose when you assembled
> > the springs and plate? Or did you glue in the pressure plate springs
> > to hold them square? Did you use a center tool to compress the
> > pressure plate springs before bolting down the ring gear? Did you
> > tighten the ring gear bolts in a gentle and balanced pattern? Error in
> > any of this can lead to problems with the pressure plate springs and
> > intermediate plate.
> >
> > Patrick Hayes
> > Fremont CA
> >
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> >> I did take everything apart and clean it. Didn't replace anything else
> >> though. I lined up the plates by hand, but didn't put any undue
> >> pressure on
> >> anything until I was sure it was in place. (at least I don't think I
> >> did)
> >> now that you mention it though, it does sound like a bent plate. :(
> >> Someone give me a better possibility please!
> >>
> >> Ted
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick Hayes"
> >> <peha-@comcast.net>
> >>
> >> Ted Ward wrote:
> >> > replaced the tranny input gear. This was because my clutch was like
> >> a
> >> > light switch either on or off. Now I have a different problem. I
> >> have it
> >> > adjusted so pulling in the clutch just a little bit disengages it,
> >> but > it
> >> > never FULLY disengages. After it "disengages" I can pull it the
> >> rest of
> >> > the way back but at idle I have to have my feet on the ground to
> >> hold > the
> >> > bike back as it wants to pull forward.
> >>
> >> Tell us a little bit about what you did with the clutch. You mention
> >> the new input hub. Did you also do the plates in the clutch itself?
> >> Did you disassemble all and clean the flywheel? What tools did you
> >> use
> >> to re-center the plates before compressing?
> >>
> >> Sorry, but it sounds an awful lot like a bent intermediate plate.
> >> Bent
> >> when you reassembled? If so, you'll have to strip it all down again
> >> ane
> >> replace that intermediate plate. If you didn't have the clutch apart,
> >> then I'm at a loss.
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<DIV>Ted,</DIV>
<DIV>I found the marks on my flywheel and pressure plate for aligning springs
just by accident when re-assembling, I took pictures and made my own marks
before dis-assembly and used those when re-assembling. I used the method
described recently on this site by Bruce Giller to install the new clutch using
my own trans input hub, an engine mounting bolt, engine mount spacers, and
vise-grip. installation was super smooth, and went so easy it scared me
after all the warnings about everything that could go wrong. I had my
engine completely out and on it's nose when I did it so there wasn't the problem
with gravity moving the springs out of alignment. It pulls smooth and
works fine. Now if I could only get the engine running better. Good
luck and don't get frustrated, it's more practice for you and the best
riding weather is still a few months off.</DIV>
<DIV>Steve</DIV>
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can RTV the springs into their pockets on the flywheel. Makes it easy to
install the clutch...Ian > > From: Greg Field <<A
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2005/01/13 Thu PM 08:43:33 CST > To: <A
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 > Ted: > > It's VERY difficult to get the clutch together
unless the springs are > in their pockets, because then all the plates
and stuff won't fit > within the clutch basket. Unless you specifically
remember such > difficulty, you should look elsewhere for the
problem. > > Try a quickie cleanout with mineral spirits before
you disassemble it > all. > > Also, no need to pull the
motor. Leave the front mounting bolt in > (after pulling the rear bolt,
exhaust, battery plate, and swingarm; > leave carbs, gen, and so on in
place) and jack up the back of the > motor. Tranny comes right
out. > > GF > > On Thursday, January 13, 2005, at
02:29 PM, Ted Ward wrote: > > > I bet it is a spring problem.
<SIGH> I don't want to pull the motor > > again. > >
Oh well. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick
Hayes" > > <<A
href="mailto:peha-@comcast.net">peha-@comcast.net</A>> >
> > > Sorry Ted. So you did take the clutch apart. You
haven't > > specifically stated such, but I presume that this
dragging symptom was > > not here before. Only the on/off dirty
clutch symptom. Unfortunately > > something is askew. Although
we highly suspect a warped intermediate > > plate, it could also be
one of the pressure plate springs out of line. > > Did you
have the engine tipped over on its nose when you assembled > > the
springs and plate? Or did you glue in the pressure plate springs
 > > to hold them square? Did you use a center tool to compress
the > > pressure plate springs before bolting down the ring
gear? Did you > > tighten the ring gear bolts in a gentle and
balanced pattern? Error in > > any of this can lead to problems with
the pressure plate springs and > > intermediate plate. >
> > > Patrick Hayes > > Fremont CA > > >
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>> > >> I did take everything apart and clean it. Didn't
replace anything else > >> though. I lined up the plates by hand,
but didn't put any undue > >> pressure on > >>
anything until I was sure it was in place. (at least I don't think I >
>> did) > >> now that you mention it though, it does sound
like a bent plate. :( > >> Someone give me a better possibility
please! > >> > >> Ted > >> >
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick Hayes" > >>
<<A href="mailto:peha-@comcast.net">peha-@comcast.net</A>> >
>> > >> Ted Ward wrote: > >> > replaced the
tranny input gear. This was because my clutch was like > >>
a > >> > light switch either on or off. Now I have a different
problem. I > >> have it > >> > adjusted so pulling
in the clutch just a little bit disengages it, > >> but >
it > >> > never FULLY disengages. After it "disengages" I can
pull it the > >> rest of > >> > the way back but
at idle I have to have my feet on the ground to > >> hold >
the > >> > bike back as it wants to pull forward. >
>> > >> Tell us a little bit about what you did with the
clutch. You mention > >> the new input hub. Did you
also do the plates in the clutch itself? > >> Did you disassemble
all and clean the flywheel? What tools did you > >>
use > >> to re-center the plates before compressing? >
>> > >> Sorry, but it sounds an awful lot like a bent
intermediate plate. > >> Bent > >> when you
reassembled? If so, you'll have to strip it all down again >
>> ane > >> replace that intermediate plate. If you
didn't have the clutch apart, > >> then I'm at a loss. >
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Subject: Re: Re: clutch adjustment

Author: STEVE FARRIS

Date: Jan 14, 2005, 9:59 AM

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