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Subject: RE: Into the timing chest

Author: Edward Walton

Date: Jan 3, 2005, 11:46 AM

Post ID: 1718146091


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<P>The bushing is metal and looked like it was swedged on. Think i should take it off put the outher orings on? </P>
<P>TED<BR></P></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>From: Greg Bender <gr-@thisoldtractor.com>
<DIV></DIV>Reply-To: Loopfram-@topica.com
<DIV></DIV>To: Loopfram-@topica.com
<DIV></DIV>Subject: RE: Into the timing chest
<DIV></DIV>Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 12:48:14 +0000
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<DIV></DIV>If memory serves, that sounds like one of the special bushings that Moto
<DIV></DIV>International used to manufacture before they started selling the
<DIV></DIV>special sized o-rings. At least that is what I think I remember reading
<DIV></DIV>in Guzziology...
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>Paul P. Linn wrote:
<DIV></DIV>> That bushing should come off so you can use all 6 orings. Normally the
<DIV></DIV>> bushing was plastic or at least it was on my Ambassador I had. You can
<DIV></DIV>> use
<DIV></DIV>> the orings or the cones (MG Cycle) on the shaft.
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>> Paul
<DIV></DIV>> 73 Eldo "Elvira"
<DIV></DIV>> 74 Eldo "Daisy" undergoing a full police restoration
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>> -----Original Message-----
<DIV></DIV>> From: edward Walton [mailto:tedwa-@hotmail.com]
<DIV></DIV>> Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 4:03 AM
<DIV></DIV>> To: Loopfram-@topica.com
<DIV></DIV>> Subject: RE: Into the timing chest
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<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>> Paul the shaft that goes inside tranny to disengage the clutch had a
<DIV></DIV>> bushing
<DIV></DIV>> on it where the orings were suppose to go. Bushing was 1/2 inch long and
<DIV></DIV>> same diameiter as orings. So could only get 3 orings on shaft. Any one
<DIV></DIV>> else
<DIV></DIV>> seen this bushing on their tranny shaft??
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>> TED
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>> From: Custom Guzzi <paul-@comcast.net>
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<DIV></DIV>> To: Loopfram-@topica.com
<DIV></DIV>> Subject: RE: Into the timing chest
<DIV></DIV>> Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2005 18:47:59 -0500
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<DIV></DIV>> Why could you only get 3 of the 6 orings on?
<DIV></DIV>> Paul
<DIV></DIV>> 73 Eldo "Elvira"
<DIV></DIV>> 74 Eldo "Daisy" undergoing a full police restoration
<DIV></DIV>> -----Original Message-----
<DIV></DIV>> From: edward Walton [mailto:tedwa-@hotmail.com]
<DIV></DIV>> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 4:00 PM
<DIV></DIV>> To: Loopfram-@topica.com
<DIV></DIV>> Subject: RE: Into the timing chest
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<DIV></DIV>> Happy New Years Guzzi Guys
<DIV></DIV>> I have just installed a new MG timming chain tensioner .Very tight fit !
<DIV></DIV>> You
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>> really do have to clean the shit out of the engine bottom pan!!
<DIV></DIV>> My timming sprockets had timming center punch marks instead of paint?
<DIV></DIV>> Ran into a wierd thing with the clutch push rod, had a metal sleave on
<DIV></DIV>> it!
<DIV></DIV>> Could only get 3 of the 6 orings on to keep the oil in the tranny!! Hope
<DIV></DIV>> it
<DIV></DIV>> works!
<DIV></DIV>> Cheers Ted
<DIV></DIV>> 850 Eldo project
<DIV></DIV>> From: Charlie Mullendore <li-@loopframe.com>
<DIV></DIV>> Reply-To: Loopfram-@topica.com
<DIV></DIV>> To: Loopfram-@topica.com
<DIV></DIV>> Subject: RE: Into the timing chest
<DIV></DIV>> Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2005 00:41:12 +0000
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<DIV></DIV>> Hi Ted,
<DIV></DIV>> Sounds like your chain may be too worn to reuse and has possibly slipped
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>> a tooth. Guzzilology is really intended to be a suppliment to the shop
<DIV></DIV>> manuals. The V700/Ambo/Eldo Shop Manual (at least mine anyways) doesn't
<DIV></DIV>> have any info. on timing the cam on chain equipped bikes, so you might
<DIV></DIV>> need to get the V7 Sport/750 S/850-T/850-T3 or later shop manual for
<DIV></DIV>> that. It's quite simple though - there are (or should be) paint marks on
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>> the camshaft and crankshaft sprockets. These should line up after the
<DIV></DIV>> chain and tensioner are installed. I can scan the pertinent illustration
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>> and paragraph for you if needed.
<DIV></DIV>> Guzziology says "Guzzi could have made this job easier if they had
<DIV></DIV>> punched or scribed timing marks on the gears, but instead we got little
<DIV></DIV>> dabs of paint. Fortunately they don't seem to wear off. When properly
<DIV></DIV>> positioned, the two painted teeth of the cam gear are supposed to
<DIV></DIV>> straddle the one painted tooth of the crank gear. The paint stipe
<DIV></DIV>> leading to one of the cam gear's mounting holes aligns with the cam's
<DIV></DIV>> drive pin. With the marks aligned, the cam paint mark should be at 10:00
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>> (while facing the front of the engine)".
<DIV></DIV>> I did a timing chain w/master link and Valtek tensioner on a friends
<DIV></DIV>> Eldo a few years back and remember it as not being too hard. With the
<DIV></DIV>> endless chain you'll need to pull the sprockets off for installation.
<DIV></DIV>> Moto International sends a Help Sheet with the parts when you buy from
<DIV></DIV>> them which has plenty of tips to ease installation. I can also scan this
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>> as well if needed. Cheers,
<DIV></DIV>> Ted Ward wrote:
<DIV></DIV>> >
<DIV></DIV>> > Thanks for the help so far. I opened up the front of the '74 eldo (Great
<DIV></DIV>> >
<DIV></DIV>> >
<DIV></DIV>> > Pumpkin as suggested) and there is a chain in thar. The chain is VERY
<DIV></DIV>> > loose,
<DIV></DIV>> > it will touch the sides of the case with some left over. I'm guessing
<DIV></DIV>> > the
<DIV></DIV>> > reason my bike isn't running is the chain slipped a link and timing got
<DIV></DIV>> > bunged. What do I do now?
<DIV></DIV>> >
<DIV></DIV>> > There is a little item that looks like a tensioner that slides right to
<DIV></DIV>> > left
<DIV></DIV>> > if you loosen the two bolts, but it doesn't look like it would do
<DIV></DIV>> > anything
<DIV></DIV>> > even if the chain were already tight. I slid it all the way in (towards
<DIV></DIV>> > the
<DIV></DIV>> > center) and it does nothing. Is there another way of removing slack or
<DIV></DIV>> > do I
<DIV></DIV>> > have to get a new chain?
<DIV></DIV>> >
<DIV></DIV>> > Also I guess I'll get a book so I don't have to bother you guys with
<DIV></DIV>> > this
<DIV></DIV>> > stuff (like how to align all the gears correctly and get the chain in
<DIV></DIV>> > place
<DIV></DIV>> > etc...) Does guzziology cover all this stuff or should I get a shop
<DIV></DIV>> > manual?
<DIV></DIV>> >
<DIV></DIV>> > Thanks for any and all help on this stuff.
<DIV></DIV>> >
<DIV></DIV>> > Ted
<DIV></DIV>> >
<DIV></DIV>> Charlie
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<DIV></DIV>Regards,
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<DIV></DIV>Greg Bender
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