Topica Loopframe_Guzzi Archive


Subject: RE: Into the timing chest

Author: Greg Bender

Date: Jan 3, 2005, 4:48 AM

Post ID: 1718144507



If memory serves, that sounds like one of the special bushings that Moto
International used to manufacture before they started selling the
special sized o-rings. At least that is what I think I remember reading
in Guzziology...

Paul P. Linn wrote:
 That bushing should come off so you can use all 6 orings. Normally the
bushing was plastic or at least it was on my Ambassador I had. You can
use
the orings or the cones (MG Cycle) on the shaft.


Paul
73 Eldo "Elvira"
74 Eldo "Daisy" undergoing a full police restoration

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Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 4:03 AM
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Subject: RE: Into the timing chest


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Paul the shaft that goes inside tranny to disengage the clutch had a
bushing
on it where the orings were suppose to go. Bushing was 1/2 inch long and
same diameiter as orings. So could only get 3 orings on shaft. Any one
else
seen this bushing on their tranny shaft??

TED



From: Custom Guzzi <paul-@comcast.net>
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Subject: RE: Into the timing chest
Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2005 18:47:59 -0500
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Why could you only get 3 of the 6 orings on?
Paul
73 Eldo "Elvira"
74 Eldo "Daisy" undergoing a full police restoration
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Happy New Years Guzzi Guys
I have just installed a new MG timming chain tensioner .Very tight fit !
You

really do have to clean the shit out of the engine bottom pan!!
My timming sprockets had timming center punch marks instead of paint?
Ran into a wierd thing with the clutch push rod, had a metal sleave on
it!
Could only get 3 of the 6 orings on to keep the oil in the tranny!! Hope
it
works!
Cheers Ted
850 Eldo project
From: Charlie Mullendore <li-@loopframe.com>
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Subject: RE: Into the timing chest
Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2005 00:41:12 +0000
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Hi Ted,
Sounds like your chain may be too worn to reuse and has possibly slipped

a tooth. Guzzilology is really intended to be a suppliment to the shop
manuals. The V700/Ambo/Eldo Shop Manual (at least mine anyways) doesn't
have any info. on timing the cam on chain equipped bikes, so you might
need to get the V7 Sport/750 S/850-T/850-T3 or later shop manual for
that. It's quite simple though - there are (or should be) paint marks on

the camshaft and crankshaft sprockets. These should line up after the
chain and tensioner are installed. I can scan the pertinent illustration

and paragraph for you if needed.
Guzziology says "Guzzi could have made this job easier if they had
punched or scribed timing marks on the gears, but instead we got little
dabs of paint. Fortunately they don't seem to wear off. When properly
positioned, the two painted teeth of the cam gear are supposed to
straddle the one painted tooth of the crank gear. The paint stipe
leading to one of the cam gear's mounting holes aligns with the cam's
drive pin. With the marks aligned, the cam paint mark should be at 10:00

(while facing the front of the engine)".
I did a timing chain w/master link and Valtek tensioner on a friends
Eldo a few years back and remember it as not being too hard. With the
endless chain you'll need to pull the sprockets off for installation.
Moto International sends a Help Sheet with the parts when you buy from
them which has plenty of tips to ease installation. I can also scan this

as well if needed. Cheers,
Ted Ward wrote:
 
Thanks for the help so far. I opened up the front of the '74 eldo (Great


Pumpkin as suggested) and there is a chain in thar. The chain is VERY
loose,
it will touch the sides of the case with some left over. I'm guessing
the
reason my bike isn't running is the chain slipped a link and timing got
bunged. What do I do now?

There is a little item that looks like a tensioner that slides right to
left
if you loosen the two bolts, but it doesn't look like it would do
anything
even if the chain were already tight. I slid it all the way in (towards
the
center) and it does nothing. Is there another way of removing slack or
do I
have to get a new chain?

Also I guess I'll get a book so I don't have to bother you guys with
this
stuff (like how to align all the gears correctly and get the chain in
place
etc...) Does guzziology cover all this stuff or should I get a shop
manual?

Thanks for any and all help on this stuff.

Ted
Charlie
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Regards,

Greg Bender
1971 Ambassador
2000 Quota
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