Subject: Re: Convert Questions

I don't really have that much practical experience with living with a
Convert, although I have wrenched on a couple. I understand that the
charging system can be a problem. On paper, I know that the 'Vert has a
20 amp alternator. Not huge, but a popular upgrade for the 15 amp unit I
used have on my old "T". I wouldn't think that an extra couple of amps
for a pump would be a problem. I think the problem with the Convert
charging system is that the engine revs can be pretty low at normal
cruising speeds. Is there a fix for this? I'm thinking maybe a re-wire of
the stator, improved rectifier and/or regulator, swap it out with a more
modern alternator (newer Guzzi). Or I guess for the custom, put the
Kubota alternator on and belt it to an appropriate speed, like was
mentioned before.

Sorry about all this Convert crap. Just remember, Mike started it <:-).

Hey, what is the rear-end gearing for the Convert? Isn't it way high?
Maybe that is what John's buddy needs for his Merc looper.

Darrell Dick
Imlay City, MI

On Wed, 18 Feb 2004 14:22:36 -0500 greg barratt
<gr-@tonedeaftouring.com> writes:

i would assume it don't need to flow much - just enough to keep it
circulating through the cooler..i think the real problem lies in the
amp
draw of the pump. with very little amperage to spare, that pump
could drain
the system of juice quick..
which catalog page was that gear pump? - i couldn't find it..

----- Original Message -----
From: "Darrell Dick" <ddic-@juno.com>
To: <Loopfram-@topica.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2004 1:36 PM
Subject: Re: Convert Questions

I don't know the specs on the stock pump. I guess the purpose of
the pump
is only to circulate fluid through the system for cooling, right?
I
suppose we could do some testing. I looked in the McMaster-Carr
catalog
today. They have a gear type pump with Delrin gears and a 12VDC
motor for
about $47.00 I'm not sure how a fuel pump would work, but this
gear pump
would probably work good on ATF. Rated for 13 fl. oz./min 20 PSI
or 63
fl. oz./min @10PSI on 200 CPS fluids. Max temp 200 degF. 1.6 amp
draw.

For guys that maybe aren't familiar with McMaster-Carr, they are a
huge
industrial supply house. Probably every manufacturing plant in the
US has
at least one of their big yellow catalogs in the maintenance or
engineering office. They have a great web site too
http://www.mcmaster.com. I buy lots of MC stuff from them too.
Loopframe
tool box locks, vibration mounts, various hardware, fateners of
all
types. Order online and they ship it fast!

Darrell Dick
Imlay City, MI

On Tue, 17 Feb 2004 16:06:40 -0500 greg barratt
<gr-@tonedeaftouring.com> writes:
but what flow rate is the stock pump putting out? can't be
much..
1 amp, seems like a big draw on the convert's electrical
system...

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bruce Giller" <bgil-@mitre.org>
To: <Loopfram-@topica.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2004 3:42 PM
Subject: Re: Convert Questions

Solid state Facet fuel pumps are rated at about 1 amp on a 12
volt
system (www.pegasusautoracing.com) for race cars. The lowest
flow
rate
15 gal/hr @ 1 psi with a maximum fuel pressure of 2.4 psi -
4.5
psi.

Bruce

greg barratt wrote:

it looked like an electric fuel pump..though i wouldn't
think it
would
have
to flow very much..he mounted it near the battery somewhere
to
the best
of
my recollection...it was a cylinder type one - maybe 6"
long,
3"diameter..if
i could find a really low voltage draw pump that would work,
i'd
be all
over
it....

From: "Darrell Dick" <ddic-@juno.com>
To: <Loopfram-@topica.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2004 2:48 PM
Subject: Re: Convert Questions

I think I've heard about that bike. He's using the pump
so
the
generator
is in the stock location and he has a stock looper timing
chest cover.
Interesting idea. Greg, do you know what kind of pump he
is
using?

Darrell Dick
Imlay City, MI

On Tue, 17 Feb 2004 13:32:43 -0500 greg barratt
<gr-@tonedeaftouring.com> writes:
>i saw an ambassador vert setup at the ohio rally which
had a
fabbed
>up tank
and an electric pump. vert tranny, ambo motor. tank
was
just like
>a
chopper oil tank...
i'd like to put an electric pump on a vert project i'm
building
>(pump is
missing from timing cover...) anyone done this yet?

i have 2 verts with the lighter flywheel (one of which
is
the one
>i'm
building above..), i have a spare heavy flywheel, but
haven't used
>it..
they say the lightweight flywheel is unreliable, i
haven't
had a
>problem
yet. but then again i only have maybe 10,000 miles on
the
vert..
>
there is a yahoo group for verts, that someone may know
more..
>(mgconvert)
is the group..

----- Original Message -----
From: "Darrell Dick" <ddic-@juno.com>
To: <Loopfram-@topica.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2004 1:14 PM
Subject: Re: Convert Questions

> Hi Mike,
>
> Well, I certainly don't consider myself an expert on
the
subject,
>but I
> have worked on a couple of 'Verts. Hopefully, I'll be
putting some
>miles
> on mine when the weather turns. I fixed one that had
a
broken
>flywheel a
> couple of years back. I believe that bike had about
40,000
miles
>on it,
> and it had a sidecar attached. My current bike has
26,000
miles on
>it and
> it still has the original sheetmetal flywheel. The
point
I'm
>trying to
> make is, I think they can last a long time. I know
Dave R.
in
>Guzziology
> says he thinks it may have something to do with
engine/tranny
>alignment.
>
> I have never ridden one with heavier wheel, so I
can't
comment on
>how it
> affects the performance. I'd say your choices are:
>
> 1. Go with the sheetmetal flywheel and know that you
have
the
>best
> performing set-up, but you may have to get in there
again
if you
>put a
> lot of miles on (and you might get stranded somewhere.
I
wouldn't
>want to
> have to change a flywheel along side the road).
>
> 2. Put the machined flywheel on and never have to
worry
about it
>> breaking, but you'll always wonder how much quicker
it
would be
>with the
> lighter one.
>
> It really depends how much it would bother you to
change
it if it
>did
> break. I'm not changing mine until it breaks.
>
> I don't see why you couldn't build your own ATF
reservoir.
I don't
>know
> if there are baffles in there or not. I'd saay you
could
probably
>modify
> a chopper oil tank.
>
> Good Luck!
>
> Darrell Dick
> Imlay City, MI
>
> On Tue, 17 Feb 2004 07:00:22 -0600 EldoMike
<eldo-@netzero.net>
> writes:
> > I asked these questions on the Convert Yahoo List
but
thought
>I'd ask
> > here
> > also since that group is still kinda small...good
group
though,
>so
> > join if
> > you're into
> >
Converts(http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/MGconvert/)
>> >
> > Anyway, here are my questions....
> > 1. I have a perfect earlier/light flywheel that I'm
thinking of
>> > using on
> > my Convert Custom...Guzzilogy says that the bikes
are
quicker
>with
> > the light wheel...also more fragile...anybody else
have
>experience
> > with both the heavy(which I also have)and the light
flywheels?
>My
> > project will probably weigh a couple hundred lbs
less
than a
>stock
> > Convert...
> > 2. Any reason I can't build a custom tranny fluid
> > tank for my Custom...would the quantity that it
holds
have to
>be
> > the
> > same or could it hold more tranny fld?
> >
> > EldoMike
> >http://www.classicguzzi.com/id103.htm
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>

Subject: Re: Convert Questions

Author: Darrell J Dick

Date: Feb 18, 2004, 11:58 AM

Post ID: 1716079116

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