Subject: RE: Eldo Front End Problem
Author: Kevin Graf
Date: Apr 19, 2002, 5:51 AM
Post ID: 1710096514
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Dennis, How are the wheel bearings?
Are you putting the axle through through the left fork leg looking at it
from the saddle? This is a long shot but.... it got me a thinkin'. My
Ambo's axle nut is on the right side ( from sittin' in the saddle). I was
wondering if it matters what fork leg you start the axle through depending
on whether you have an Ambo or Eldo. Single shoe or Double shoe. I got on
Dave's site on looked at the photos. Heres what it looks to me. It seems as
though the Ambos have the axle starting through the left leg with the nut on
the right. The Eldos are the opposite. Can't really determine a single shoe
from a double shoe on the photos if the pic was taken of the left side of
the bike.
Any comments on this?
Kev
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From: Dennis Jones [mailto:dbjo-@cobweb.net]
Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2002 10:42 PM
To: Loopfram-@topica.com
Subject: Eldo Front End Problem
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I need help from some of the experienced loopframe guys. I spent the
winter freshing up my '73 Eldo over the winter. Began the assembly process
about 2 weeks ago. Getting the motor, transmission, drive shaft, rear
drive, shocks, etc in the frame was a breeze. Then came the front wheel. I
CANNOT get my front wheel on the bike correctly. I've been trying repeatedly
since last Saturday with no success. Must've tried a dozen times. It is a
two leading shoe front. When I try to get the axle thru left fork leg, the
brake cover , the wheel itself, the dished cover on the other side, and then
the right fork leg, it clearly is not in alignment and needs a good deal of
force to get the axle thru. When I do get it thru, the wheel is bound up
and will turn only with a great deal of force. I measured the forks and
they are matching lengths when measured to a fixed point and when measured
to the centerline of the axle holes. I nevertheless took the forks off the
bike, checked everything, and reassembled the forks. Re-measured and they
are identical. When I put the brake shoe assy and the wheel on by
themselves without the dished cover, the axle will go thru nicely and the
wheel will spin freely. When I put the dished cover on with the wheel and
without the brake assy on, it goes together and the wheel spins freely.
When I try to put everything on, the axle is clearly cocked. I can force it
to assemble, but I literally need 3 guys. One to push up the right end of
the axle, one to push down the left side of the axle, and one to tap in the
axle in. Except for putting a new tire on the bike, I didn't do anything to
the wheel. I bought and installed new soft brake shoes from Mark at MG
Classics, and thought it might be them. Removed them and tried to assemble
everything without the brake shoes installed and the same binding problem
occurred. It does not seem to be a binding caused by things being too tight
between the forks. It seems like an axle misalignment problem, yet I have
taken dimensions of the forks and they are identical lengths. I have
totally exhausted every idea I have, and all I am doing at this point is
nicking up my new paint on my fork legs with this repeated assembly and
disassembly. And, making absolutely no progress on the bike. It's got
nothing to do with the spacer washers, as the wheel won't turn even with the
axle nut finger tight. Sure could use some ideas, cause I'm stumped.
Thanks,
Dennis Jones
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<DIV><SPAN class=280283712-19042002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Dennis, How are the wheel bearings?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=280283712-19042002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Are
you putting the axle through through the left fork leg looking at it from the
saddle? This is a long shot but.... it got me a thinkin'. My Ambo's
axle nut is on the right side ( from sittin' in the saddle). I was wondering if
it matters what fork leg you start the axle through depending on whether you
have an Ambo or Eldo. Single shoe or Double shoe. I got on Dave's site on looked
at the photos. Heres what it looks to me. It seems as though the Ambos have the
axle starting through the left leg with the nut on the right. The Eldos are the
opposite. Can't really determine a single shoe from a double shoe on the photos
if the pic was taken of the left side of the bike.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=280283712-19042002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=280283712-19042002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Any
comments on this?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=280283712-19042002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Kev</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Dennis Jones
[mailto:dbjo-@cobweb.net]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, April 18, 2002 10:42
PM<BR><B>To:</B> Loopfram-@topica.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> Eldo Front End
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I need help from some of the experienced
loopframe guys. I spent the winter freshing up my '73 Eldo over the
winter. Began the assembly process about 2 weeks ago. Getting the
motor, transmission, drive shaft, rear drive, shocks, etc in the frame
was a breeze. Then came the front wheel. I CANNOT get my front
wheel on the bike correctly. I've been trying repeatedly since
last Saturday with no success. Must've tried a dozen times.
It is a two leading shoe front. When I try to get the axle thru
left fork leg, the brake cover , the wheel itself, the dished cover on
the other side, and then the right fork leg, it clearly is not in alignment
and needs a good deal of force to get the axle thru. When I do get it
thru, the wheel is bound up and will turn only with a great deal of
force. I measured the forks and they are matching lengths when measured
to a fixed point and when measured to the centerline of the axle
holes. I nevertheless took the forks off the bike, checked everything,
and reassembled the forks. Re-measured and they are identical.
When I put the brake shoe assy and the wheel on by themselves without the
dished cover, the axle will go thru nicely and the wheel will spin
freely. When I put the dished cover on with the wheel and without the
brake assy on, it goes together and the wheel spins freely. When I try
to put everything on, the axle is clearly cocked. I can force it to
assemble, but I literally need 3 guys. One to push up the right end of
the axle, one to push down the left side of the axle, and one to tap in the
axle in. Except for putting a new tire on the bike, I didn't do anything
to the wheel. I bought and installed new soft brake shoes from Mark
at MG Classics, and thought it might be them. Removed them and tried to
assemble everything without the brake shoes installed and the same binding
problem occurred. It does not seem to be a binding caused by things
being too tight between the forks. It seems like an axle misalignment
problem, yet I have taken dimensions of the forks and they are identical
lengths. I have totally exhausted every idea I have, and all I am
doing at this point is nicking up my new paint on my fork legs with this
repeated assembly and disassembly. And, making absolutely no progress on
the bike. It's got nothing to do with the spacer washers, as the wheel
won't turn even with the axle nut finger tight. Sure could use some
ideas, cause I'm stumped.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Thanks,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Dennis Jones</FONT></DIV><PRE>==========================================================
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