Subject: RE: Generator Woes/Alternator conversion? (Long)
Author: Gary Cheek
Date: Dec 21, 2001, 1:21 PM
Post ID: 1709212425
Yes as far as the alternator conversion. I picked up a GEO alternator
right after I bought the ELDO and Ambo. The mount on the Eldo was hacked
by the PO. I was able to Helicoil the holes ,flatten out the mount boss
and fit an oversize (.375") locating dowel to the generator.The locating
dowel I blieve is the little cause of the whole big problem with the
mount breakdown. Use studs ,not bolts for mounting. I also use a 3/16
thick HARDENED plate between the mount and the nuts to better spread the
clamping force of the studs. Use coarse threads in the soft aluminum and
fine threads into the nuts.
I will be doing the alternator bracket work up this winter and will
keep all posted.
"Relays for the horns and lights along with the circuit breakers
were mounted inside the right-side toolbox."
There is room inside the headlight to do this without giving up the
tool box or putting any non standard holes in it. If you do use relays
try not to over do it. The headlight is one place where they are
worthwhile and of course the horn and starter.Other than those spots for
the most part they are just another part that can fail.
Parts that aren't there don't break !
Allan wrote:
| Thanks for the info. I think I will call in a marker from a machinist friend and see if we can fabricate a bracket that will hang from the frame yet leave the gen in the stock position. If anything you have givin me some ideas to work with. The quick and dirty flip the bracket over would certainly get me on the road tomorow, it is tempting but something nice looking would be better. I don't mind if the bike is stock but it cannot look bad or thrown together if I can help it. The alternator idea is good as they are usually lighter and would not tend to tear their brackets off from vibration. I sure miss my old Amb. Allan 72 Eld with 1066cc kit which is why the block is staying however the gen is mounted. ----- Original Message ----- From: Charlie Mullendore To: Loopfram-@topica.com Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2001 6:28 PM Subject: Re: Generator Woes/Alternator conversion? (Long) ============================================================ Here's an easy $75.00! 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The Geo pulley was left on the alternator and the crank pulley was stock Eldo. The generator belt cover was unaltered. The whole conversion was so nicely done that he had to take the generator belt cover off for us to see how it was mounted. I believe Gary Cheek is working a conversion using the same alternator - maybe he could help? While I'm on the subject of Dale's bike, I'd like to share a few other things he did that I found interesting. He used studs with s.s. acorn nuts a number of places on the bike where frequent disassembly might destroy the threads eventually using bolts. For instance, on the carbs. where the fuel inlet "banjo" attaches and on the gen. belt cover. He also used studs to attach the timing cover and the oil sump. He drilled small holes (approx. 1/16") in the top of the carbs above the slides. He would measure the height with a piece if wire he carried in his toolkit and when he was done there were small pegs to plug the holes. Relays for the horns and lights along with the circuit breakers were mounted inside the right-side toolbox. There's probably a few more details I've forgotten to mention. I've got pictures of this very nice red/white/green creation and will post them as soon as I get time. Cheers, Charlie ----- Original Message ----- From: Allan To: Loopfram-@topica.com Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2001 2:42 AM Subject: Re: Generator Woes ============================================================ * More effective email marketing is a click away! * Get professional email tools to create professional campaigns. Target mailings, deliver in HTML, and track your success. Try Topica Email Publisher. Now FREE for 60 days! http://click.topica.com/caaaeQ8b1dfltb2Luw3b/TopicaEmailPublisher ============================================================ Hi I did the shim for the front of the generator already. The mounting pads with the two bolt holes had been machined away and the space filled with aluminum barstock which was welded into position, the barstock has come loose frome the welds. there is nothing holding the gen. bracket to the engine anymore. I don't see a way to repair this that will last. that was why I was looking for an alternative for mounting the generator. ----- Original Message ----- From: Patrick Hayes To: Loopfram-@topica.com Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2001 7:20 PM Subject: Re: Generator Woes ============================================================ Win 5 Great DVDs - "Shrek", "The Matrix" plus 3 More! ViDVD is the first multimedia DVD player to support CD-R/W, MP3, digital photos, and Internet access. 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The shim will securely take up the loose space and work for maybe 50,000 miles. What more do you want? Let me know if you want a picture and I'll try to draw one. The big issue is on reinstalling the generator and belt. If you make the belt too tight, it will crush the brass shim quickly, allowing the generator to rock and again break the mounting bracket or one of its mounting bolts. If you make the belt too loose, it will flop and vibrate and set up some motions which might accelerate crushing of the shim. The loopframe belt should be just tight enough to not flop around and certainly NOT taut. It should be nothing like a power steering or air conditioner belt. Just snug. Patrick Hayes Fremont CA EV, EV, SPII, V-65-C, Monza, SuperAlce MGNOC L-403 ============================================================ FREE SHIPPING on high quality apparel from Outer Banks! 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