Subject: Re: Generator Woes/Alternator conversion? (Long)
Author: Charlie Mullendore
Date: Dec 20, 2001, 3:31 PM
Post ID: 1709205026
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Hi Allan,
There is the possibility of mounting an alternator instead of the generator. There was a "950" Eldo at the WNY Rally that had been converted to an alternator using one from a Geo Metro. The owner, Dale Peterson, fabricated an aluminum plate that bolted to the front of the timing cover (just behind where the generator belt runs) and used the top two timing cover bolts to hold it in place. The Geo alternator had its mounting "ears" cut off and the bracket was bolted to the front of it (I think he used the alternator "through bolts" somehow). There was a small "L" shaped bracket at the back of the alternator to help support it also. The Geo pulley was left on the alternator and the crank pulley was stock Eldo. The generator belt cover was unaltered. The whole conversion was so nicely done that he had to take the generator belt cover off for us to see how it was mounted. I believe Gary Cheek is working a conversion using the same alternator - maybe he could help?
While I'm on the subject of Dale's bike, I'd like to share a few other things he did that I found interesting. He used studs with s.s. acorn nuts a number of places on the bike where frequent disassembly might destroy the threads eventually using bolts. For instance, on the carbs. where the fuel inlet "banjo" attaches and on the gen. belt cover. He also used studs to attach the timing cover and the oil sump. He drilled small holes (approx. 1/16") in the top of the carbs above the slides. He would measure the height with a piece if wire he carried in his toolkit and when he was done there were small pegs to plug the holes. Relays for the horns and lights along with the circuit breakers were mounted inside the right-side toolbox. There's probably a few more details I've forgotten to mention. I've got pictures of this very nice red/white/green creation and will post them as soon as I get time. Cheers,
Charlie
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From: Allan
To: Loopfram-@topica.com
Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2001 2:42 AM
Subject: Re: Generator Woes
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Hi
I did the shim for the front of the generator already. The mounting pads with the two bolt holes had been machined away and the space filled with aluminum barstock which was welded into position, the barstock has come loose frome the welds. there is nothing holding the gen. bracket to the engine anymore. I don't see a way to repair this that will last. that was why I was looking for an alternative for mounting the generator.
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From: Patrick Hayes
To: Loopfram-@topica.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2001 7:20 PM
Subject: Re: Generator Woes
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In a message dated 12/19/2001 2:41:54 PM Pacific Standard Time, mut-@msn.com writes:
I just can't
face having the engine down again to reweld this with the chance of
distorting the lifter bores.
So don't. I ran my 73 Eldorado for over 100,000 miles with a worn down generator support yoke casting. Without the support at the front end of the generator, vibration will quickly tear the generator bracket to pieces.
Just mount the generator gently and measure or otherwise determine the amount of slop between the generator and the casting. Now get a comparable piece of brass of the same or slightly larger thickness and cut a shim to fit in there. Some snipping and tapping will get it to fit into its curve. If done well, you can have tabs to bend over and hold it in place. The shim will securely take up the loose space and work for maybe 50,000 miles. What more do you want? Let me know if you want a picture and I'll try to draw one.
The big issue is on reinstalling the generator and belt. If you make the belt too tight, it will crush the brass shim quickly, allowing the generator to rock and again break the mounting bracket or one of its mounting bolts. If you make the belt too loose, it will flop and vibrate and set up some motions which might accelerate crushing of the shim. The loopframe belt should be just tight enough to not flop around and certainly NOT taut. It should be nothing like a power steering or air conditioner belt. Just snug.
Patrick Hayes
Fremont CA
EV, EV, SPII, V-65-C, Monza, SuperAlce
MGNOC L-403
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hi Allan,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>There is the possibility of mounting an alternator
instead of the generator. There was a "950" Eldo at the WNY Rally that
had been converted to an alternator using one from a Geo Metro. The owner, Dale
Peterson, fabricated an aluminum plate that bolted to the front of the timing
cover (just behind where the generator belt runs) and used the top two timing
cover bolts to hold it in place. The Geo alternator had its mounting "ears" cut
off and the bracket was bolted to the front of it (I think he used the
alternator "through bolts" somehow). There was a small "L" shaped bracket at the
back of the alternator to help support it also. The Geo pulley was left on the
alternator and the crank pulley was stock Eldo. The generator belt cover was
unaltered. The whole conversion was so nicely done that he had to take the
generator belt cover off for us to see how it was mounted. I believe Gary Cheek
is working a conversion using the same alternator - maybe he could
help? </FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>While I'm on the subject of Dale's bike, I'd like
to share a few other things he did that I found interesting. He used
studs with s.s. acorn nuts a number of places on the bike where
frequent disassembly might destroy the threads eventually using bolts. For
instance, on the carbs. where the fuel inlet "banjo" attaches and on the gen.
belt cover. He also used studs to attach the timing cover and
the oil sump. He drilled small holes (approx. 1/16") in the top of the
carbs above the slides. He would measure the height with a piece if
wire he carried in his toolkit and when he was done there were small
pegs to plug the holes. Relays for the horns and lights along with the
circuit breakers were mounted inside the right-side toolbox. There's probably a
few more details I've forgotten to mention. </FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2>I've
got pictures of this very nice red/white/green creation and will post them as
soon as I get time. Cheers,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Charlie</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
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<A title=-@msn.com href="mailto:mut-@msn.com">Allan</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=Loopf-@topica.com
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, December 20, 2001 2:42
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<DIV><FONT size=2>Hi</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2> I did the shim for the
front of the generator already. The mounting pads with the two bolt holes
had been machined away and the space filled with aluminum barstock which
was welded into position, the barstock has come loose frome the welds. there
is nothing holding the gen. bracket to the engine anymore. I don't see a way
to repair this that will last. that was why I was looking for an alternative
for mounting the generator.</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=p-@aol.com href="mailto:peha-@aol.com">Patrick Hayes</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=Loopf-@topica.com
href="mailto:Loopfram-@topica.com">Loopfram-@topica.com</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, December 19, 2001 7:20
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Generator Woes</DIV>
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face=arial,helvetica><FONT size=2>In a message dated 12/19/2001 2:41:54 PM
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TYPE="CITE">I just can't<BR>face having the engine down again to reweld
this with the chance of<BR>distorting the lifter
bores.</BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR>So don't. I ran my 73 Eldorado for over
100,000 miles with a worn down generator support yoke casting. Without
the support at the front end of the generator, vibration will quickly tear
the generator bracket to pieces.<BR><BR>Just mount the generator gently and
measure or otherwise determine the amount of slop between the generator and
the casting. Now get a comparable piece of brass of the same or
slightly larger thickness and cut a shim to fit in there. Some
snipping and tapping will get it to fit into its curve. If done well,
you can have tabs to bend over and hold it in place. The shim will
securely take up the loose space and work for maybe 50,000 miles. What
more do you want? Let me know if you want a picture and I'll try to
draw one.<BR><BR>The big issue is on reinstalling the generator and
belt. If you make the belt too tight, it will crush the brass shim
quickly, allowing the generator to rock and again break the mounting bracket
or one of its mounting bolts. If you make the belt too loose, it will
flop and vibrate and set up some motions which might accelerate crushing of
the shim. The loopframe belt should be just tight enough to not flop
around and certainly NOT taut. It should be nothing like a power
steering or air conditioner belt. Just snug.<BR><BR><BR>Patrick
Hayes<BR>Fremont CA<BR>EV, EV, SPII, V-65-C, Monza, SuperAlce<BR>MGNOC
L-403</FONT> <PRE>============================================================
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