Subject: Re: (MGCL) chrome shops???
Author: Bruce Daniels
Date: Feb 16, 2005, 11:03 AM
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MessagePaul - I stand corrected about the hole in the bushing - thanks. I knew that too, must be slipping :>)
Royal Silver is the plating Company in Norfolk, VA. Further down in this message is a write up from Rich Maund - that is when and how I found out about it.
So, were you able to buy a ready-made bushing or did you fabricate it?
Bruce
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Bruce,
The hole is not for a setscrew, it's for a grease fitting. And yes the bushing must come out prior to plating. I tapped mine out before I took it in. Who's in Norfolk?
Paul
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You piqued my interest Rich. I am a newbie - I bought a 70 Police Ambo about two years ago and have been working on some rusted parts - been using 'never dull' cuz that is what the PO had been using. But, you need to keep using it often, so I thought I would try preparing one part for chrome plating and see how it comes out before plating anymore parts. Your story is encouraging and Norfolk is not that far from Raleigh.
I started on the Brake Pedal for two reasons, (1) it had a rough finish and (2) the bushing needs to be replaced - pedal wobbles from side to side. So, having never ventured into something like this I need to ask some questions. I assume the bushing has to be removed before plating the pedal - by that I mean to ask if the bushing can be masked someway and then deal with removing and replacing it after plating? The reason I ask is that the plater needs a way to hold the pedal while dipping it into the tank and the thought occurred to me that maybe if I leave the bushing in, a hook could be inserted through that hole and then mask it somehow. But, then maybe I would screw up the plating when I knocked the old bushing out to replace it. These questions are probably for the plater, but I thought you might have some experience with this.
Does the bushing have to be fabricated or does anybody know if they are available somewhere? The bushing has a hole in it to allow a set screw to bottom out against a steel shaft to hold the pedal on.
I put some time in polishing - got a kit from Caswell - but I have been wondering how much is enough? Except for logical thinking that the more you work on it the better the part will look. I attached two photos to give you an idea what it looks like now and a close up of that hole for the set screw (through the bushing).
Bruce Daniels
NC Tarheel
70 Ambo 14720
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Nine years ago I used "Royal Silver", a plating company here in Norfolk Va. I was warned to expect high prices, but I'd get what I paid for.
They charged me $150 to replate a Guzzi luggage rack for my Mille' GT. The rack only cost $125 new, but it's factory plating was very poorly done. I added some hard points to it to attach some hard bags to and had them re-chrome it. They also did some "U" shaped fender stays for me which were quite pitted. $40 each.
I was told 2-3 weeks to do the job.
NINE weeks later, when I am going out of my mind worrying if they lost my pieces, I finally get the call that they're done. I drive over there and whattaya know? They can't find my order. Yeesh! I have to stand there for half an hour while they search around. Then they find them. They're carefully wrapped. I unwrap them for inspection. OH MY GAWD! They look incredible. The factories never made parts like this! Absolutely beautiful.
I think the guys are right. You will get what you pay for in chroming. It's labor intensive work and expensive to do. I would beware of any shop that quotes too cheap a price. You'll wind up with Guzzi factory style chroming (i.e. No polishing, no copper or nickel beneath the chrome and the first time the part flexes, the chrome will peel.) That would be money wasted.
Rich Maund
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Andy wrote:
>anyone have a good, but cheap, reference for chroming?
>supposidly, there is a shop in buffalo, ny,
Tim's idea of just replacing small parts is a good one. Chroming is expensive. I just dropped off some antique car parts at an industrial plater in Syracuse, NY to get chromed. "HMQ Metal Finishers". I'll let you know how they are in a few weeks. Industrial platers are usually cheaper than show quality chrome shops but, as usual, you get what you pay for.
Upstate Mark
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<DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>Paul - I stand corrected about the hole
in the bushing - thanks. I knew that too, must be slipping
:>) </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>Royal Silver is the plating Company in
Norfolk, VA. Further down in this message is a write up from Rich Maund - that
is when and how I found out about it. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>So, were you able to buy a ready-made
bushing or did you fabricate it?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>Bruce</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=832182716-16022005>Bruce,</SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=832182716-16022005>The hole is not for a setscrew, it's for a
grease fitting. And yes the bushing must come out prior to plating. I tapped
mine out before I took it in. Who's in Norfolk?</SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV align=left><SPAN class=508385223-12122004>Paul</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=508385223-12122004>73 Eldo "Elvira" 949
conversion</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=508385223-12122004>74 Eldo "Daisy" undergoing a full police
restoration</SPAN></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>You piqued my interest Rich. I am a
newbie - I bought a 70 Police Ambo about two years ago and have been
working on some rusted parts - been using 'never dull' cuz that is what the
PO had been using. But, you need to keep using it often, so I thought I
would try preparing one part for chrome plating and see how it comes
out before plating anymore parts. Your story is encouraging
and Norfolk is not that far from Raleigh. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>I started on the Brake Pedal for
two reasons, (1) it had a rough finish and (2) the bushing needs
to be replaced - pedal wobbles from side to side. So, having never ventured
into something like this I need to ask some questions. I assume the
bushing has to be removed before plating the pedal - by that I mean to ask
if the bushing can be masked someway and then deal with removing and
replacing it after plating? The reason I ask is that the plater needs a way
to hold the pedal while dipping it into the tank and the thought occurred to
me that maybe if I leave the bushing in, a hook could be inserted through
that hole and then mask it somehow. But, then maybe I would screw up the
plating when I knocked the old bushing out to replace it. These questions
are probably for the plater, but I thought you might have some experience
with this.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>Does the bushing have to be
fabricated or does anybody know if they are available somewhere? The bushing
has a hole in it to allow a set screw to bottom out against a steel shaft to
hold the pedal on.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>I put some time in polishing - got
a kit from Caswell - but I have been wondering how much is enough? Except
for logical thinking that the more you work on it the better the part will
look. I attached two photos to give you an idea what it looks like now and a
close up of that hole for the set screw (through the bushing).</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV>Bruce Daniels</DIV>
<DIV>NC Tarheel</DIV>
<DIV>70 Ambo 14720</DIV></FONT>
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<DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>Nine years ago I used "Royal
Silver", a plating company here in Norfolk Va. I was warned to expect high
prices, but I'd get what I paid for.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>They charged me $150 to replate a
Guzzi luggage rack for my Mille' GT. The rack only cost $125 new, but it's
factory plating was very poorly done. I added some hard points to it to
attach some hard bags to and had them re-chrome it. They also did some "U"
shaped fender stays for me which were quite pitted. $40 each.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>I was told 2-3 weeks to do the
job.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>NINE weeks later, when I am going
out of my mind worrying if they lost my pieces, I finally get the call
that they're done. I drive over there and whattaya know? They can't find
my order. Yeesh! I have to stand there for half an hour while they search
around. Then they find them. They're carefully wrapped. I unwrap them for
inspection. OH MY GAWD! They look incredible. The factories never made
parts like this! Absolutely beautiful.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>I think the guys are right. You
will get what you pay for in chroming. It's labor intensive work and
expensive to do. I would beware of any shop that quotes too cheap a price.
You'll wind up with Guzzi factory style chroming (i.e. No polishing, no
copper or nickel beneath the chrome and the first time the part
flexes, the chrome will peel.) That would be money wasted.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>Rich Maund</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>Andy wrote:</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> >anyone have a good, but cheap, reference for
chroming? </DIV>
<DIV>>supposidly, there is a shop in buffalo, ny, </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Tim's idea of just replacing small parts is a good one.
Chroming is expensive. I just dropped off some antique car parts
at an industrial plater in Syracuse, NY to get chromed. "HMQ Metal
Finishers". I'll let you know how they are in a few weeks.
Industrial platers are usually cheaper than show quality chrome shops
but, as usual, you get what you pay for.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Upstate Mark</DIV>
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