Subject: RE: Painting Guzzi tanks
Author: Gary Schroeder
Date: Feb 3, 2004, 6:16 PM
Post ID: 1715940613
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Hey, for "off the top of your head", that's some excellent info!! I also
agree with you on doing things right the first time, I hate doing things
twice. :)
Thanks,
GaryS
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From: Gavin Bedggood [mailto:gavi-@xtra.co.nz]
Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 3:28 PM
To: Loopfram-@topica.com
Subject: Re: Painting Guzzi tanks
I have not done it in ages.... but off the top of my head....
First mask out the area that is nice chrome and will stay chrome with a few
layers of sandpaper proof tape (ie not plastic tape that sand paper shreads)
to protect that area from harm while the prep is been done.
Then sand it back to get ALL the shine off. NOT GRIND as that will do to
much damage. (harder chrome top layer and soft under layers would cause it
to end up digging holes)
I have good eye hand control after years of sanding so I could sand very
close to the edge without cutting it.
I would take my time and take off quite a bit of the chrome and nickel
undeneath.....
So when I as finished... you would have a steel tank with "feathered" layers
of nickel then non shiny chrome coming up to the area that is masked out.
Probably about 3 mm of chrome amd 4 more of nickel coming away from the
masked area?
I would make sure the surface is not to badly scratched by the process as
the paint will sink into any underlying imperfections over time.
Then redo the masking as the edge will not be perfect. Dedo it with "fine
line tape" (plastic)... then clean down the tank with degresser like prepsol
and apply a thin spray coat of a VERY good two pack etch primer.
With things like this you do NOT want to put to much paint on. As the edge
build up of paint is not wanted (same with frames as it helps them not chip
around bolt heads etc).
Then a good two pack undercoat surfacer.... again only as much as is needed
to get the suface right... any more is wasted and will cause a big edge down
to the chrome and shrinkage problems later on.
Then if it was mine I would leave it for at least a week to fully harden and
do all it's shrinking.
and it.... RE mask it again. Sand it down....
Then apply just enough colour to cover and a two coats of clear.
Simple. lol
I HAVE to say here that I am a perfectionsit bastard and most painters would
laugh at the lengths I would go to and say it's not needed.
They would be right...... as they don't have to look at it for years to
come!. I like to do things right.
Their endith the lecture!!
Regards from a rainy New Zealand
Gavin
----- Original Message -----
From: Gary Schroeder
To: Loopfram-@topica.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2004 11:59 AM
Subject: RE: Painting Guzzi tanks
Hey Gavin,
What steps would you take to prep chrome properly for paint??
Thanks for any help,
GaryS
California
-----Original Message-----
From: Gavin Bedggood [mailto:gavi-@xtra.co.nz]
Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 2:30 PM
To: Loopfram-@topica.com
Subject: Re: Painting Guzzi tanks
I am a painter... getting paint to stick to chrome is all about getting
the surface right.
Put straight onto shine chrome any paint will fall off.
With the right roughing up and reperation it should be fine.
I would get a second opionon or call an auto paint company and talk to
their technical people to get the facts.
Their is nothing like getting the info direct from the people who make the
stuff.
Regards,
Gavin
New Zealand
----- Original Message -----
From: Rex Clark
To: Loopfram-@topica.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2004 11:09 AM
Subject: Re: Painting Guzzi tanks
Hi Brett,
I had mine painted last year (solid black with metallic gold striping
and decals) My painter (Dave Hirata, Lowell Body Shop, Lowell, Indiana) said
it was no problem at all. I'm not a painter, only relaying personal
experience. So far it's only been a year but it looks like the day I picked
it up. If you would like to see it I would be glad to e-mail you a picture
or two.
Rex in Indiana
----- Original Message -----
From: IndyDi-@aol.com
To: Loopfram-@topica.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 3:04 PM
Subject: Painting Guzzi tanks
I've been talking to my painter, and he claims that new paints do not
stick well to chrome (Guzzi tanks) due to the lack of lead in modern paints.
Anybody have any input? He wants to use the a chrome contact paper for knee
panels and I think that will look like s**t with a ridge around
panel...........thanks in advance for the input. Brett in Indiana
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<DIV><SPAN class=540591002-04022004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Hey,
for "off the top of your head", that's some excellent info!! I also agree with
you on doing things right the first time, I hate doing things twice.
:)</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=540591002-04022004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=540591002-04022004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Thanks,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=540591002-04022004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=540591002-04022004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>GaryS</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Gavin Bedggood
[mailto:gavi-@xtra.co.nz]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, February 03, 2004 3:28
PM<BR><B>To:</B> Loopfram-@topica.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: Painting
Guzzi tanks<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I have not done it in ages.... but off the top of
my head....</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>First mask out the area that is nice chrome and
will stay chrome with a few layers of sandpaper proof tape (ie not plastic tape
that sand paper shreads) to protect that area from harm while the prep is been
done.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Then sand it back to get ALL the shine off.
NOT GRIND as that will do to much damage. (harder chrome top layer and soft
under layers would cause it to end up digging holes)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I have good eye hand control after years of sanding
so I could sand very close to the edge without cutting it.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I would take my time and take off quite a bit of
the chrome and nickel undeneath.....</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>So when I as finished... you would have a steel
tank with "feathered" layers of nickel then non shiny chrome coming up to the
area that is masked out.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Probably about 3 mm of chrome amd 4 more of nickel
coming away from the masked area?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I would make sure the surface is not to badly
scratched by the process as the paint will sink into any underlying
imperfections over time.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Then redo the masking as the edge will not be
perfect. Dedo it with "fine line tape" (plastic)... then clean down
the tank with degresser like prepsol and apply a thin spray coat of a VERY good
two pack etch primer.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>With things like this you do NOT want to put to
much paint on. As the edge build up of paint is not wanted (same with
frames as it helps them not chip around bolt heads etc).</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Then a good two pack undercoat surfacer.... again
only as much as is needed to get the suface right... any more is wasted and will
cause a big edge down to the chrome and shrinkage problems later
on.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Then if it was mine I would leave it for at least a
week to fully harden and do all it's shrinking.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>and it.... RE mask it again. Sand it
down....</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Then apply just enough colour to cover and a two
coats of clear.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Simple. lol</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I HAVE to say here that I am a perfectionsit
bastard and most painters would laugh at the lengths I would go to and say it's
not needed.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>They would be right...... as they don't have to
look at it for years to come!. I like to do things
right.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Their endith the lecture!!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Regards from a rainy New Zealand</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Gavin</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
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<A title=gsc-@comcast.net href="mailto:gschro-@comcast.net">Gary
Schroeder</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=Loopf-@topica.com
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, February 04, 2004 11:59
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: Painting Guzzi tanks</DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=150165722-03022004><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hey
Gavin,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=150165722-03022004><FONT face=Arial
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=150165722-03022004><FONT face=Arial size=2>What steps would
you take to prep chrome properly for paint?? </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=150165722-03022004><FONT face=Arial
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=150165722-03022004><FONT face=Arial size=2>Thanks for any
help,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=150165722-03022004><FONT face=Arial
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=150165722-03022004><FONT face=Arial
size=2>GaryS</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=150165722-03022004><FONT face=Arial
size=2>California</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=150165722-03022004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
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size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Gavin Bedggood [<A
href="mailto:gavi-@xtra.co.nz">mailto:gavi-@xtra.co.nz</A>]<BR><B>Sent:</B>
Tuesday, February 03, 2004 2:30 PM<BR><B>To:</B> <A
href="mailto:Loopfram-@topica.com">Loopfram-@topica.com</A><BR><B>Subject:</B>
Re: Painting Guzzi tanks<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I am a painter... getting paint to stick to
chrome is all about getting the surface right.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Put straight onto shine chrome any paint will
fall off.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>With the right roughing up and reperation it
should be fine.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I would get a second opionon or call an auto
paint company and talk to their technical people to get the
facts.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Their is nothing like getting the info direct
from the people who make the stuff.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Regards,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Gavin </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>New Zealand</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=rc-@comcast.net href="mailto:rccla-@comcast.net">Rex
Clark</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=Loopf-@topica.com
href="mailto:Loopfram-@topica.com">Loopfram-@topica.com</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, February 04, 2004
11:09 AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Painting Guzzi tanks</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hi Brett,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I had mine painted last year (solid black with
metallic gold striping and decals) My painter (Dave Hirata, Lowell Body
Shop, Lowell, Indiana) said it was no problem at all. I'm not a
painter, only relaying personal experience. So far it's only been a year but
it looks like the day I picked it up. If you would like to see it I would be
glad to e-mail you a picture or two.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Rex in Indiana</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, February 03, 2004 3:04
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Painting Guzzi tanks</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV><FONT face=arial,helvetica><FONT size=2 PTSIZE="10">I've
been talking to my painter, and he claims that new paints do not stick
well to chrome (Guzzi tanks) due to the lack of lead in modern paints.
Anybody have any input? He wants to use the a chrome contact paper for
knee panels and I think that will look like s**t with a ridge around
panel...........thanks in advance for the input. Brett in
Indiana</FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
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