| | From: David Whalen <haircutti-@yahoo.com>
Reply-To: Loopfram-@topica.com
To: Loopfram-@topica.com
Subject: Re: Pirsig
Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 14:10:23 -0800 (PST)
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I seem to recall getting about midway through the book
and finding some incorrect misinformation relating to
certain particular mechanical repairs or perhaps
icorrect descriptions of mechanical processes that
really disappointed me. Here I was, thinking that this
guy Persig had the ability to actually work on his
bike and then he comes up with some crap that makes no
good sense to anyone with any actual knowlege of
mechanics. Then, I thought,What a phony! Anybody
relate? I did finish the book, though I'm not tempted
to read it again.
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Sorry Chris.....tried to read it several times, but
found it to be philosophically lame.
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I agree...this is a wonderful book. If you are not
into philosophy and such
stuff, it is definitely not for you. However, if
you enjoy a thought
provoking, intellectual read (albeit a hard and
sometimes dry one) this is
the book for you. It took me about four times
through to "get it" with this
book. Now it is time to replace my copy, cos I've
read it so much. Maybe a
hardcover this time. I saw a new one at the
bookstore the other week that
has some new comments by Pirsig, so I'll probably
get that edition after the
holidays.
Btw, I think the Winnie the Pooh phrase "if you
don't have anything nice to
say, don't say anything at all" fits nicely here.
Enjoy!
Chris in NC
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To: Loopfram-@topica.com
Subject: Re: LONG DISTANCE LOOP FRAME
Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 13:04:25 EST |
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OK,
Since we have introduced discussions on books and |
| | I'll bring up the annual "Zen" reference. If |
| | down with "Zen and the Art of Motorcycle |
| | Philosophy intertwined with a study of motorcycles |
| | reading can be dry at times, so be forewarned. The |
| | an old motorcycle and performs routine and roadside |
| | is an anticipated and expected part of the entire |
| | understands that his bike is a collection of |
| | all tie together to make the bike run. If one |
| | "system" fails. Troubleshooting and analysis of |
| | pleasure.
His riding partners are on BMW's. They enjoy |
| | and maintenance as things that are done to your |
| | inherently take away from the experience if you |
| | Their bikes either run or they don't. They do not |
| | simplest problems since they look at the bike as a |
| | it's broke, it's broke and someone with that |
| | this book before ever getting a motorcycle and |
| | would never be satisfied with a bike that I did not |
| | work on myself. It is that reputation of low |
| | that gives me little desire to own a BMW, Although |
| | greatly. My experience with HD is that one must |
| | tasks (i.e. replace primary cover bolts) nearly |
| | ridden. That, to me, is silly stuff. I want a |
| | "repaired", will hold that state reliably until |
| | Moto Guzzi fits nicely somewhere between the two. |
| | repair must me made repeatedly to a Guzzi, then |
| | factors which must be contributing to the problem. |
| | that many of us have started with neglected bikes, |
| | persistence, the bikes end up being very reliable |
| | owners grow in knowledge and through familiarity |
| | anti
cipate when items must be worked on and why.
This may be a little deep and long-winded, but in |
| | common experience and and ATTITUDE which binds the |
| | together.
To paraphrase the author one one of my favorite |
| | "When working on a motorcycle, the first and |
| | Gumption. Without that, no other tools will do you |
| |
Thanks for the bandwidth
David Whitmore
'71 Ambassador (still gathering up the Gumption) |
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