Subject: Re: Digest for Loopfram-@topica.com, issue 2116
Author: Diane Brannick
Date: Aug 14, 2005, 11:00 AM
Post ID: 1719295460
I thought I would post this one more time before I use the much
despised ebay. I have a new set still in the box of Gilardoni pistons,
cylinders, rings, head and base gaskets, orings , nikasil jugs. I paid
$570 for them and will sell for that plus shipping. Money back
guarantee. Oh, they are for Ambassador. Email me, Michael Ittner.
flax sine el dorado mucho.
On Aug 14, 2005, at 4:13 AM, Loopfram-@topica.com wrote:
| -- Topica Digest -- rear wheel hell still By ray.-@sfcc.edu RE: rear wheel hell still By paul-@comcast.net Re: rear wheel hell still By tchri-@gmpexpress.net RE: rear wheel hell still By klru-@comcast.net Re: Mystery engine noises By tedwa-@hotmail.com RE: Mystery engine noises By tedwa-@hotmail.com Re: Mystery engine noises - used chrome v new nikasil By tedwa-@hotmail.com RE: rear wheel hell still By ray.-@sfcc.edu RE: rear wheel hell still By ray.-@sfcc.edu Finally, Exhaust Nuts out, but.... By kkurb-@aol.com Re: Mystery engine noises By Rapf-@aol.com RE: rear wheel hell still By ray.-@sfcc.edu Re: rear wheel hell still By tchri-@gmpexpress.net Don't know if I saw it here. By hacksa-@hotmail.com RE: Finally, Exhaust Nuts out, but.... By johnulri-@yahoo.com RE: Finally, Exhaust Nuts out, but.... By kkurb-@aol.com Anyone have a spare trnasmount bushing? By kkurb-@aol.com RE: Don't know if I saw it here. By gr-@thisoldtractor.com RE: Anyone have a spare trnasmount bushing? By hacksa-@hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 13:34:17 +0000 From: Ray Hale <ray.-@sfcc.edu> Subject: rear wheel hell still Hi, Here's the scenario. Trying to mount the rear wheel on the 73 Eldo. I shimmed the bearings without the brakes installed, but using the backing plate of course. Mounted the wheel to the rear end, still without brakes, but with all hardware, tightened down the axle and the wheel spins fine, no side play. Installed the brakes, refitted the wheel, tightened it down and it won't budge. Took it off, removed the brakes, compared the shoes and lining to the old ones, same measurements, except for lining thickness. I can drop the brake assembly into the drum and it will spin freely. The linings aren't stopping the wheel from turning. Never hooked up the brake linkage so that's not interfering. New springs on the brake shoes. Inside of drum is clean without ridges. Can't figure out why the wheel turns great without the brakes, then not at all with them, when the brakes will turn freely inside the drum before it's attached to the bike. Have checked and triple checked everything I know to look for. All bearings, seals, shoes, and springs are new and correct. Don't know what else to investigate. Ray pax sine tedio 73 Eldo "19" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 09:44:15 -0400 From: "Paul P. Linn" <paul-@comcast.net> Subject: RE: rear wheel hell still Ray, Could it be when you tighten things up your compressing everything to much? Maybe the brake plate is being pushed up against the drum to much when you tighten the axle? Paul -----Original Message----- From: Ray Hale [mailto:ray.-@sfcc.edu] Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2005 9:34 AM To: Loopfram-@topica.com Subject: rear wheel hell still Your free subscription is supported by today's sponsor: ------------------------------------------------------------------- Get up to $1500.00 Fast and Easy! No Credit Checks! No Paper Hassles! Nothing To Fax! Apply Online and We'll Contact You Within the Hour! http://click.topica.com/caadOuob1dfltb6GIoLa/911PaydayAdvance ------------------------------------------------------------------- Hi, Here's the scenario. Trying to mount the rear wheel on the 73 Eldo. I shimmed the bearings without the brakes installed, but using the backing plate of course. Mounted the wheel to the rear end, still without brakes, but with all hardware, tightened down the axle and the wheel spins fine, no side play. Installed the brakes, refitted the wheel, tightened it down and it won't budge. Took it off, removed the brakes, compared the shoes and lining to the old ones, same measurements, except for lining thickness. I can drop the brake assembly into the drum and it will spin freely. The linings aren't stopping the wheel from turning. Never hooked up the brake linkage so that's not interfering. New springs on the brake shoes. Inside of drum is clean without ridges. Can't figure out why the wheel turns great without the brakes, then not at all with them, when the brakes will turn freely inside the drum before it's attached to the bike. Have checked and triple checked everything I know to look for. All bearings, seals, shoes, and springs are new and correct. Don't know what else to investigate. Ray pax sine tedio 73 Eldo "19" Your free subscription is supported by today's sponsor: ------------------------------------------------------------------- Get $1000.00 Overnight! Fast and Easy! No Credit Checks! Many Lenders are 100% Paperless! Let The Wizard Find the right Lender for you! http://click.topica.com/caadOutb1dfltb6GIoLf/911PaydayAdvance ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 10:08:30 -0400 From: "Tom Christian" <tchri-@gmpexpress.net> Subject: Re: rear wheel hell still Ray - I had a similar symptom on my Eldo after putting on new rear brake shoes.... turned out to be very simple - I forgot to tighten the face plate "keeper" or whatever its called and it slightly cocked the face plate, locking everything up (while I had the rear wheel off I replaced the throw out bearing so I'd removed the rod that holds the intermediate rear brake linkage and "keeper" arm). Tightened it down, e'thing back to normal. If I recall correctly, the rear wheel axle torque spec's are over 100 ft/lbs, so it'd be pretty tough to overtighten. Good luck - let us know what the resolution is. -tom On Sat, 13 Aug 2005 09:44:15 -0400 Custom Guzzi <paul-@comcast.net> wrote:
------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 16:19:44 +0000 From: Keith Ruff <klru-@comcast.net> Subject: RE: rear wheel hell still I would try adding a shim/spacer to the bearing and re-install with everything together. Sounds like the brake hub may be binding up against the wheel when you tighten everything up. I had this same problem with my Ambo, added a bearing shim, and the world was re-aligned :) Keith Ruff 70 Cafe Racer Ambo Manahawkin, NJ Ray Hale wrote:
------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 09:40:04 -0700 From: "Edward Walton" <tedwa-@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: Mystery engine noises <html><div style='background-color:'><DIV class=RTE> <P>Ya Ted I know what you mean. Just does not seem right to not use the one side that still works good and just fix the other. If the noise is from the piston ring slop in the ring grove I still have to worry about taking the chrome off the walls. Then everything gets screwed up! If its the rod bushings, motor comes appart and the costs get on the real heavy side. I think riding with the problem could damage the crankshaft if its the rod bushings, I cannot aford that! Going to park it till I can get it appart. Do not have the confidense to do the bottom end, so will have to ship it out. sorry about using your name man but it works good for the hot mail !!!</P> <P>Ed<BR><BR></P><BR><BR><BR>From: Ted Ward <ju-@astrocomma.com><BR>Reply-To: Loopfram-@topica.com<BR>To: Loopfram-@topica.com<BR>Subject: Re: Mystery engine noises<BR>Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 13:38:10 -0700 (PDT)<BR><BR>Your free subscription is supported by today's sponsor: <BR>------------------------------------------------------------------- <BR>Get up to $1500.00 Fast and Easy!<BR>No Credit Checks! No Paper Hassles! Nothing To Fax!<BR>Apply Online and We'll Contact You Within the Hour!<BR>http://click.topica.com/caadOuob1dfltb6PLDGa/ 911PaydayAdvance<BR>--------------------------------------------------- ----------------<BR><BR>Hey Edward. I was on a british motorcycle list (Brit-Iron) from<BR>1995-2002 and this list now for a year or so. One thing I have<BR>noticed is people on these lists usually tend to push for the<BR>extravagant solution. It's because the guys on these lists are<BR>generally REALLY into their bikes. You are getting the "best"<BR>solution but I'm like you, I tend to wait for something to break<BR>before I fix it (or at least be in obvious need of repair). I'm<BR>certainly not right, just cheap. I'm pretty sure I would be well<BR>served to put in the Gilardoni sets also though but my bike runs<BR>pretty well. I also have the unhappy feeling that I need to<BR>replace the bearings in my transmission and my motor also makes<BR>a strange mid-range noise which was pegged as "rod bearings" so<BR>I probably need those too. But I just don't have the money right<BR>now and its too hot to do all that work here in Oklahoma now<BR>anyway.<BR><BR>Weird that your email address is Tedward.<BR><BR>Ted Ward<BR><BR>--- edward Walton <tedwa-@hotmail.com> wrote:<BR>I did not loose chrome offthe walls of the last cylinder set but<BR>there was some fine pit marks the size of a pen tip and i think<BR>the set was well worn out and started to burn oil under full<BR>power. It had been sitting for four years. Any how the original<BR>cylinders that are on now have never lost chrome yet, I have had<BR>rocker shafts out and bushings looked ok. Maybe the rod bushing<BR>is worn from taking the piston pin in and out two times ? What<BR>do you think? I know some of the guys are thinking just buck up<BR>and go with the newer cylinders but the right side works perfect<BR>for now so thats why i have spent somuch time trying to get the<BR>other side going .Thanks for your help Matt<BR><BR><BR>Ted Ward<BR><BR>Your free subscription is supported by today's sponsor: <BR>------------------------------------------------------------------- <BR>Hershey�'s�®or Ghirardelli�®Chocolate?<BR>Take our Nationwide Chocolate Survey today!<BR>Receive a FREE* $100 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 10:08:26 -0700 From: "Edward Walton" <tedwa-@hotmail.com> Subject: RE: Mystery engine noises <html><div style='background-color:'><DIV class=RTE> <P>Thanks for the info Jason you sure got your moneys worth out of the G5 ! </P> <P>i might pull rod out and get wristpin and crank bushing replaced O boy more gaskets. Top end off again !!! I have to get another piston as the one ring grove is to wide. </P> <P>Ed <BR><BR></P><BR><BR><BR>From: Jason Telford <jr-@avalon.net><BR>Reply-To: Loopfram-@topica.com<BR>To: Loopfram-@topica.com<BR>Subject: RE: Mystery engine noises<BR>Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 16:51:12 +0000<BR><BR>Your free subscription is supported by today's sponsor: <BR>------------------------------------------------------------------- <BR>Erase wrinkles without painful injections with Nexiderm SP.<BR>Nexiderm SP is clinically proven to reduce wrinkles by 68% Click<BR>here to get your 30-day free supply.<BR>http://click.topica.com/caadOvHb1dfltb6PLDGa/ Nexiderm<BR>----------------------------------------------------------- --------<BR><BR>To just look at it is real easy- a dozen or so bolts hold the pan on.<BR>Drop it off- it's a good idea to clean it out while you're there- and<BR>take a look up underneath. The rods do move back and forth some- don't<BR>be surprised. They shouldn't be loose on the bearings and to measure<BR>the clearance you need some plastigauge. Then again, it could be loose<BR>wristpins. They were worn out on my G5. Dang- I only got 375,000 miles<BR>out of that engine before it needed new pistons. I should complain.<BR>There's two advantages of letting Mark E. go through your bike. 1 is<BR>that you damn well know it's going to be right. 2 is that he's a pretty<BR>entertaining fellow.<BR><BR>Edward Walton wrote:<BR>><BR>><BR>> I was afraid of that. How big of a job is it to pull the bottem end<BR>> appart. Is that some thing I should leave to Mark! I have had lots of<BR>> top ends appart but never a bottom end?<BR><BR>Your free subscription is supported by today's file attachment with <a href="http://g.msn.com/8HMAENCA/2746??PS=47575" target="_top">MSN Premium. </a> Join now and get the first two months FREE*</html> ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 10:16:07 -0700 From: "Edward Walton" <tedwa-@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: Mystery engine noises - used chrome v new nikasil <html><div style='background-color:'><DIV class=RTE> <P>Thanks for the info Mat, this is a good subject for all the newbees on the list !! I will definintely think over what you have said !! How can you tell Chrome dammage to bushings and lifter and even the crankshaft ?</P> <P>ED<BR><BR></P><BR><BR><BR>From: Matthew Moore <moore-@cablespeed.com><BR>Reply-To: Loopfram-@topica.com<BR>To: Loopfram-@topica.com<BR>Subject: Re: Mystery engine noises - used chrome v new nikasil<BR>Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 13:45:26 -0400<BR><BR>Your free subscription is supported by today's sponsor: <BR>------------------------------------------------------------------- <BR>Get $1000.00 Overnight! Fast and Easy!<BR>No Credit Checks! Many Lenders are 100% Paperless!<BR>Let The Wizard Find the right Lender for you!<BR>http://click.topica.com/caadOutb1dfltb6PLDGa/ 911PaydayAdvance<BR>--------------------------------------------------- ----------------<BR><BR>Ted,<BR>I understand what you are saying about how others may respond on other<BR>lists. Must be nice to have a lot of extra $$ to spend on your pet project,<BR>eh? ;-)<BR>This does and does not apply to what I have answered to Ed's question. The<BR>reason I am recommending going with the Gilardoni sets instead of dinking<BR>around with used sets (and if you want to do it that way, I'm all for it) is<BR>because when the chrome comes off it doesn't just affect the cylinders and<BR>pistons, it can junk an entire engine (or at least cost you more $$ than the<BR>kits will).<BR>I caught mine after some serious damaage was done, but not before it got too<BR>far out of hand. I had to replace the con rod bearings and top end bushings<BR>with the new piston sets.<BR> My main bearings, crank, cam and cam bearings, lifters, rockers and<BR>assemblies all had some damage from the chrome flakes but nothing too<BR>serious.<BR>I am not saying that using used chrome bores can't be done and that you<BR>might not get a lot of miles out of them (I mean, they were made for million<BR>mile touring, right?) But ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 17:33:41 +0000 From: Ray Hale <ray.-@sfcc.edu> Subject: RE: rear wheel hell still Keith, I already tried this and adding more shims to allow the wheel to spin creates a lot of side to side play. Ray Keith Ruff wrote:
pax sine tedio 73 Eldo "19" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 17:35:03 +0000 From: Ray Hale <ray.-@sfcc.edu> Subject: RE: rear wheel hell still Good idea. I'll try this. Ray Tom Christian wrote:
pax sine tedio 73 Eldo "19" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 19:45:54 +0000 From: Keith K <kkurb-@aol.com> Subject: Finally, Exhaust Nuts out, but.... Had to slice out the header pipe end, then I had to cut the nut into 4. They came out, but I am telling you I have never seen anything like that. Almost looked like the aluminum disntegrated a bit into powder. Though i was able to knock the nuts off piece by piece, they came out. Because I never screwed them out, they just popped right off the threads in the exhaust hole. Yet the threads seemed like they had been compromised. Not stripped, but not as deep as the rear threads where the nut was not screwed to. I cleaned them out, and the nut still screws in, I am just a little worried about the integrity of the threads holding the new nuts on. Any suggestions on this? I really do not want to have them machined and welded with a sleeve if I don't have to. If the Gurus here think I may be bale to use them as is, please speak up. If not, suggestions on the best way to deal with this situation will be greatly appreciated. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 16:36:21 EDT From: Rapf-@aol.com Subject: Re: Mystery engine noises -------------------------------1123965381 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ed when you say to wide ? how wide ? with the ring pushed into the piston and using a feeler gauge. how many thousands. Is your noise high or low . rick -------------------------------1123965381 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=US-ASCII"> <META content="MSHTML 6.00.2900.2722" name=GENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY id=role_body style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #000000; FONT-FAMILY: Arial" bottomMargin=7 leftMargin=7 topMargin=7 rightMargin=7><FONT id=role_document face=Arial color=#000000 size=2> <DIV>Ed when you say to wide ? how wide ? with the ring pushed into the piston and using a feeler gauge. how many thousands.</DIV> <DIV>Is your noise high or low . rick</DIV></FONT></BODY></HTML> -------------------------------1123965381-- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 20:52:15 +0000 From: Ray Hale <ray.-@sfcc.edu> Subject: RE: rear wheel hell still Tom, Thank you so much!!!! I owe you. You hit it right on the head. It's done. Bolted up the "keeper" as you call it and torqued the axle and it's great. Wow. What a chore. Ray pax sine tedio 73 Eldo "19" Tom Christian wrote:
------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 17:39:25 -0400 From: "Tom Christian" <tchri-@gmpexpress.net> Subject: Re: rear wheel hell still Awesome. Glad to hear its fixed. -tom On Sat, 13 Aug 2005 20:52:15 +0000 Ray Hale <ray.-@sfcc.edu> wrote:
------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 22:16:53 +0000 From: Hacksaw <hacksa-@hotmail.com> Subject: Don't know if I saw it here. Saw someone post a new source for a steering stabilzer to a site I visited. They were applying it to a loopframe if I remember correctly. They had made the purchase, mounted it and promised pics. Searched to no avail. If someone knows where I saw it please 'jog' my memory. Thanks, Hack non 柲umore che sia musica ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 22:32:18 +0000 From: John Ulrich <johnulri-@yahoo.com> Subject: RE: Finally, Exhaust Nuts out, but.... Keith K wrote:
I read something somewhere about the nuts having various tolerances. I found when replacing mine with unused OEM nuts. One nut was too tight in left head but perfect in the other. The other nut was too loose in the right head but fit perfect in the other??? You might try a few different nuts and see if you czn find the perfect match. Later, JU ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 00:43:17 +0000 From: Keith K <kkurb-@aol.com> Subject: RE: Finally, Exhaust Nuts out, but.... That's weird. Because the left side was very losse on the header pipe, but the nut was not in all the way to the head. But still stuck. The right side was tightened all the way up to the head. Wonder if the PO had a similar experience with that. John Ulrich wrote:
------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 00:48:51 +0000 From: Keith K <kkurb-@aol.com> Subject: Anyone have a spare trnasmount bushing? The trans mount bushing seemed almost welded into the bushing, had to torch the bolt off and still couln't get the bolt out which is why I had so much trouble getting it off in the first place. Anyone have a spare or know where I can get one? Or do I have to find similar aluminum tubing and can I use that? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 01:21:06 +0000 From: Greg Bender <gr-@thisoldtractor.com> Subject: RE: Don't know if I saw it here. Hi Hacksaw, I think that was Joe Jump??? Here is the URL to the one that was talked about: https://www.mikesxs.net/mikesxs-suspension.php?category_id=6.3 It is on my to do list to get one of these...but my list is too long right now and it'll just have to wait! :> Hacksaw wrote:
Regards, Greg Bender 1971 Ambassador 2000 Quota http://www.thisoldtractor.com/gtbender Florida MGNOC website http://www.thisoldtractor.com/fl_mgnoc Minnesota MGNOC website http://www.thisoldtractor.com/mn_mgnoc ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 01:21:37 +0000 From: Hacksaw <hacksa-@hotmail.com> Subject: RE: Anyone have a spare trnasmount bushing? Keith, I did a "reply to sender" with info. If that didn't work contact me off list at hacksaw_neb @ hotmail . com I'm leaving for Toronto for a month tomorrow afternoon but if you can let me know your info before then I can drop a couple in the mail before I go. Hacksaw Keith K wrote:
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