Subject: Re: Horn Trouble
Author: Dennis Jones
Date: Jul 10, 2001, 4:30 AM
Post ID: 1707432110
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Thanks to Andy, Pete, Eric & Paul and anyone else I have forgotten for =
the replies. I don't really want to replace the original switchgear for =
other brand stuff. Would like to keep the bike as original as possible. =
So, unfortunately the news is that I should trace my ground circuit and =
try to find a culprit there. Thanks for the advice. I'm sure you are =
right. I just hate little invisible electrons running thru circuits =
encapsulated in insulation, none of which I can see, looking for an =
invisible problem. Much easier to discover broken parts and =
replace'em.
Dennis
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From: Pete Scheer=20
To: 'Loopfram-@topica.com'=20
Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 10:11 PM
Subject: RE: Horn Trouble
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Dennis,
I had the same problem with the stock horn. I could barely hear it =
over the engine. I replaced it with a pair of Fiamms, one mounted on =
each crashbar. Sounds like a Buick from the 60's.
I changed my setup to a Kawasaki switch from a local salvage yard. I =
added a relay ( mounted in the frame pocket under the tank). I followed =
an excellent tutorial on relays that was shared by another looper. =20
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I suspect your problem is in the ground circuit. From what I =
remember , the stock switch closes the ground circuit allowing current =
to flow thru the horn. The ground path is thru the cev cover and thru =
the mounting screws to the handlebar. >From the handlebar thru the =
clamps to the triple tree, etc etc until it gets to the battery. =20
If there is any corrosion or a loose connection anywhere, you can =
have high resistance in the ground path.
If you have a tester, check the continuity from the CEV housing to =
the neg battery terminal.
It should show no resistance or the same reading as when you touch the =
2 probes together. If you show resistance then you have to start =
tracking down where the resistance is.
=20
BL ( Before Loops ) I used to think only of the positive side of =
the DC circuit wiring, kind of forgetting about the ground. Its =
exactly as important as the positive current path. I learned ..=20
=20
Good Luck
Pete
=20
-----Original Message-----
From: Dennis Jones [mailto:dbjo-@cobweb.net]
Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 7:48 PM
To: Loopfram-@topica.com
Subject: Horn Trouble
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Since we're havin' such fun with electrical woes on loopframes, =
here's another. Ever since I got my Eldo in 1997 I have had horn =
troubles. It came with the original horn, and the horn beeped weakly. =
I would fiddle with cleaning the connections and then the horn adjustor =
nut to get it to work, but it was an on again/off again thing. =
Sometimes it would work, and sometimes it just squeaked or simply didn't =
sound at all. I shopped for a replacement horn and, after trying two, I =
settled on a Fiamm as I recall. It worked well and was pretty loud when =
I installed it over last winter. When I took it to the NY Rally, I =
noticed that the horn would only sound intermittently, and I would often =
have to massage the horn button to get it to sound. Rode the bike this =
past weekend and the horn wouldn't work at all. Removed the switchbox =
cover off the CEV switchgear and cleaned the horn button contacts. It's =
a NOS switch (less than 2 years old), so it doesn't have years of wear =
and doesn't see rain. Anyhow, upon re-assembly it would make the horn =
beep weakly compared to the 130 decibels advertized, and that it used to =
deliver. My question is......have others had nuisance problems with =
horns on loopframes? Do you run a relay on your horn circuit, and is =
that the solution? I would like to be able to get on my Eldo every ride =
and know that my horn will work, and from the day I bought this bike, I =
have never had that assurance from week to week. Any input would be =
appreciated.
Dennis
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Thanks to Andy, Pete, Eric & Paul =
and anyone=20
else I have forgotten for the replies. I don't really want to =
replace the=20
original switchgear for other brand stuff. Would like to keep the =
bike as=20
original as possible. So, unfortunately the news is that I should =
trace my=20
ground circuit and try to find a culprit there. Thanks for the=20
advice. I'm sure you are right. I just hate little invisible =
electrons running thru circuits encapsulated in insulation, none of =
which I can=20
see, looking for an invisible problem. Much easier to =
discover=20
broken parts and replace'em.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Dennis</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
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black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A href=3D"mailto:plsc-@tycoelectronics.com"=20
title=3D-@tycoelectronics.com>Pete Scheer</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
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title=3DLoop-@topica.com>'Loopfram-@topica.com'</A> =
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, July 09, 2001 =
10:11=20
PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: Horn Trouble</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial><SPAN=20
class=3D320072201-10072001>Dennis,</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial><SPAN =
class=3D320072201-10072001>I had the=20
same problem with the stock horn. I could barely hear it over the=20
engine. I replaced it with a pair of Fiamms, one mounted on each =
crashbar. Sounds like a Buick from the =
60's.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial><SPAN =
class=3D320072201-10072001>I changed=20
my setup to a Kawasaki switch from a local salvage yard. I added =
a relay=20
( mounted in the frame pocket under the tank). I =
followed an=20
excellent tutorial on relays that was shared by another looper. 20
</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial><SPAN=20
class=3D320072201-10072001></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial><SPAN=20
class=3D320072201-10072001></SPAN></FONT><FONT color=3D#0000ff =
face=3DArial><SPAN=20
class=3D320072201-10072001>I suspect your problem is in the ground=20
circuit. From what I remember , the stock switch closes =
the ground=20
circuit allowing current to flow thru the horn. The =
ground=20
path is thru the cev cover and thru the mounting screws to the=20
handlebar. >From the handlebar thru the clamps to the triple =
tree,=20
etc etc until it gets to the =
battery. </SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial><SPAN =
class=3D320072201-10072001> If=20
there is any corrosion or a loose connection anywhere, you can have =
high=20
resistance in the ground path.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial><SPAN =
class=3D320072201-10072001>If you have=20
a tester, check the continuity from the CEV housing to the =
neg=20
battery terminal.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial><SPAN =
class=3D320072201-10072001>It should=20
show no resistance or the same reading as when you touch the 2 probes=20
together. If you show resistance then you have to start tracking =
down=20
where the resistance is.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial><SPAN=20
class=3D320072201-10072001></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial><SPAN =
class=3D320072201-10072001> BL (=20
Before Loops ) I used to think only of the positive =
side of=20
the DC circuit wiring, kind of forgetting about the =
ground. Its=20
exactly as important as the positive current path. I learned ..=20
</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial><SPAN=20
class=3D320072201-10072001></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial><SPAN =
class=3D320072201-10072001>Good=20
Luck</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial><SPAN=20
class=3D320072201-10072001>Pete</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial><SPAN=20
class=3D320072201-10072001></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
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size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Dennis Jones=20
[mailto:dbjo-@cobweb.net]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, July 09, 2001 =
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Since we're havin' such fun with =
electrical=20
woes on loopframes, here's another. Ever since I got my Eldo =
in 1997 I=20
have had horn troubles. It came with the original horn, and =
the horn=20
beeped weakly. I would fiddle with cleaning the connections =
and then=20
the horn adjustor nut to get it to work, but it was an on again/off =
again=20
thing. Sometimes it would work, and sometimes it just squeaked =
or=20
simply didn't sound at all. I shopped for a replacement horn =
and,=20
after trying two, I settled on a Fiamm as I recall. It worked =
well and=20
was pretty loud when I installed it over last winter. When I =
took it=20
to the NY Rally, I noticed that the horn would only sound =
intermittently,=20
and I would often have to massage the horn button to get it to =
sound. 20
Rode the bike this past weekend and the horn wouldn't work at =
all. 20
Removed the switchbox cover off the CEV switchgear and cleaned the =
horn=20
button contacts. It's a NOS switch (less than 2 years old), so =
it=20
doesn't have years of wear and doesn't see rain. Anyhow, upon=20
re-assembly it would make the horn beep weakly compared to the 130 =
decibels=20
advertized, and that it used to deliver. My question =
is......have=20
others had nuisance problems with horns on loopframes? Do you =
run a=20
relay on your horn circuit, and is that the solution? I would =
like to=20
be able to get on my Eldo every ride and know that my horn will =
work, and=20
from the day I bought this bike, I have never had that assurance =
from week=20
to week. Any input would be appreciated.</FONT></DIV>
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